My work were very good, unbelievably good, and as I say as a police officer now I can’t well I work for the Met and I’ve got to give them big praise that from a local level, from my team mates, through to my managers, through to senior management
So financially you were still being paid and everything?

Being paid, and being very well supported.

Good.

Unbelief, and that’s such a difference, up until this day and I’m sure it will continue, I mean that has never been an issue, the welfare side they have been unbelievable, remarkable.

Okay, so you finished your chemotherapy trial?

Yes.

And then you went back to work?

Yeah I went back to work; I think it was like September 14th I went back to work. Again prior to that through the police I’d had consultation with our occupational health, we’d devised a return to work plan, which involved reduced hours building up to when I go back full time. So initially I think it was only maybe one or two hours a day for the first week and then building up to my return. I can’t remember what it was when I worked full hours.

I’ve not had issues with finance.

With what?

Finance, and the money side. I you know, I’ve had a great employer and again I want to reinforce that. That makes it; I would imagine that makes such a big difference. And use your employer. You know a lot of people where I work, frown on occupational health. They see them as being intrusive. And I’ve worked with them and they’ve worked with me and they’ve helped me. So you know, use the support that’s given, if you are working, that’s given to you. And it’s amazing what they can and will help you with.

And when you became ill you were still working weren’t you?

I was still working, I was,

When did you have to give up work?

I gave up work a day before my operation. Yes, maybe, maybe a couple of days, only a couple of days. I said well you know, I want to be at work. I’ve still got my holidays when I go back.

And have the company been good about paying you?

I don’t get paid no. We’re a mean company. I don’t get paid. I think my sick has stopped now so
So can you get some benefit from the government?

No I don’t think so. I don’t even get anything now, I think you get sick payment for six months only, and I think I’ve pretty well used them from February, February so we’re going, March, April, May, June, July, oh I might have another month yet, might, I’m not sure.

Do you mind me asking how much you get from the government?

About seventy pounds. Seventy pound a week. I think that’s the sick. Nearly seventy pounds a week.

So that must have been quite difficult? Going from regular pay,

Oh don’t forget I’ve retired, so I get my pension, my old age pension. So I can manage. You know it’s no good worrying about money because that’s the last thing you want to worry about. The thing is you worry about getting well.

You know and let’s see. they’re not going to see you die on the street are they? You know so, yes I mean the wife’s still working, I’ve got my old age pension and my seventy pound, I shall hopefully be back to work, I mean I should be retired so I’ve got to learn to live on my pension and whatever else I’ve got come in, so…

In the end, and then because my bilirubin was going up and my actual red blood count was going down and I was short on vitamin K, he was actually pointing out that if I did have an accident whilst driving, I’d probably bleed to death. So that was the Thursday night conversation with my GP. I went out on the Friday for work, got to lunchtime, and went, I can’t do this any more

Does the company look after you now that you’re ill?

The company looked after me not one bit. They said they’d support me as much as they could, and then the first week I got paid statutory sick pay, and that’s it. And I said, Well, I’ll come back to work And they said, You’re on chemo And I said, Yes They said, Not until you’ve finished your chemo So it’s, now, now, because I’ve had a back-to-work interview, I thought was very funny and, because they’re now worried about my well-being. And I’ve decided that when I finish chemo, so this is a positive, when I finish chemo in February and when the scan comes back clear, I will then take three months myself to get myself back to a f-, level of fitness where I can go back to work. So whether they want me back in March, they’re not getting me, because it’s about me now. I worked weeks beyond where I should have said to myself, Right, you need to stay at hom and I never got anything from the company. So why should I go back underweight, no energy? So why not take a couple of months off?

So that’s been, has that been very hard financially?

I knew we’d get to finance. It is very hard financially. But I’ve got Disability Living Allowance. And anyone who has the start of pancreatic cancer, I suggest they go in to any of the charities that support cancer, Macmillan Trust will give you financial help, and get as much information as you can. And I just get Disability Living Allowance.

Did anybody help you get that? How did you go about getting that?

My local charity said that they have, Citizens Advice Bureau comes in on a Thursday afternoon, and they said, If you want, go and see her So I booked an appointment, went to see her and sat down and told her my household income. And she said, Right. You’re entitled to that

Did she help you fill the forms in?

Oh, she filled the forms in. I just signed it.

When, when I first became ill my GP wouldn’t sign me off for IBS. She said nobody gets, goes on the sick for IBS. Of course the, the pain that I was in was actually much more than an IBS patient would have, but she didn’t understand that. The pain that I was in was from my secondaries around my back area. But after the, I had a bleed in my stomach because of the biopsy to check for coeliac disease, they were a bit vigorous in taking a sample, and that made me really very anaemic. And, to the extent that I had to have supplement, iron supplements. And then my GP signed me off no problem, she said, You, you can’t be expected to work with haemoglobin that lo. So, I was on sick pay, which has a strange name now, employment and support allowance… or some such thing

I think that’s absolutely right.

So I was already on that benefit and, when I was diagnosed obviously the, there’s no question then of me coming off of it. I got a certificate from the doctor, no problem. When I eventually met up with the specialist cancer nurse she went through the entire range of benefits that I may be eligible for, as well as applying for a Macmillan loan, Macmillan grant for me. And so I’m now on the higher rate, I’m on long term rate I think it’s called, of employment and support allowance. I’m also on Disability Living Allowance, both components, mobility component and the other one, which I can’t remember what it’s called. And I also have, because I live alone, another benefit which, the name of which I can’t remember but it’s something a bit obscure like enhanced disability allowance or severe disability allowance or some such thing. So, I’m on higher rate of the, both the Disability Living Allowance. So my benefit, I’m, I’m, my benefits are enough to live on, which if it was, if I didn’t have the disability living components there really wouldn’t be enough.

So that’s the story as far as benefits go. If, if you don’t have a nurse who specialises in it for you then the Macmillan, Macmillan have advisers who work through CAB or a local, your local charity drop-in perhaps. So there’s help available to get your benefits sorted out. Macmillan’s the first stop. Macmillan’s the first stop for an awful lot of things really.

We had lots of problems. I lost my job because my salary stopped and I was getting employment support, which was very, very little and I didn’t have enough income. Well, the Maggie Centre helped me there, the welfare rights. Christmas time I was sent, because I had gone on to employment support I was sent to an assessment and they deemed me fit to work. And the Maggie Centre contested it and appealed against it, and I’ve now got to go to a tribunal to discuss whatever this, I don’t know what the outcome will be. But when, when I was recovering, things like that really set me back. it’s one of the things that were very, very negative in my whole experience. I didn’t get any help at all from the Department of Works and Pensions. I think it’s very bad.

Who makes the assessment whether or not you’re fit to work?

It was a trained nurse. And because I was able to get the bus to the centre, although I was in a lot of pain, they, you’re supposed to get 20 points and I didn’t get any points. I told her at the time that I was in pain, and there was never any mention of that in the report that came back to me. So there was a lot of negative stuff there. So you don’t get help there.

The Citizens Advice were very good. Because I didn’t know anywhere to go and I went there, I was advised to go there and they helped me. And they, they’ve just informed me of different things, what, how to go about things. But I feel that there, there should be help for, for people that, I mean I’ve worked for fifty-nine years and I feel that in your time of need you don’t have any help.

So have your government benefits been cut off?

Yes, the, I was on Disability Allowance, but it was three months before I went on to that because I wasn’t aware. And when I was advised to go on that, they, they wrote the letter to tell me that I had appealed, or I had enquired three months too late. I’ve lost all that benefit.

Would you mind just summarising, you said the Maggie’s centre were wonderful.

Yes.

What was the main thing that they helped you with? Was it the financial situations?

Yes and they told me I would be, did you know that you can, you can claim for this, and you can claim for that. I put in claims for it, I haven’t got anything yet. But it’s been, but they said you should have done this three years ago, it’s things that you’re entitled to that you’ve not but I always assumed that they were means tested, you know that’s always been at the back of my mind to think oh well you don’t stand a chance of getting anything you know, but apparently they’re not. Some of them are, you know, it hasn’t, on the financial side it amazes me how much, how much more expensive it is when you’re sick. And you think Oh well you won’t have the, you won’t have the thing but it’s its amazing.

You know, you know, this is a large place and this, another place over the road as well, so they’ve all got to be, they’ve all got to be paid for, and the rates on them, are just really expensive. So but I think one of, one of the, one of the major things, what’s the name, is just how expensive it is when you’re not working and when you’re sick, to keep up with the transport costs and all the bits and pieces, cars, driving around, getting people to, what’s the name, and getting taxis sometimes when, when, when you need to. Waiting around in hospitals, and etcetera, just how expensive it is, Being unwell is more expensive than being sort of working all day because you spend, you spend less [when working].

Because you can’t sit around the house all day, and there’s only, and because it, your energy levels drop you, you’ve got to now, I mean I’ve just paid what four and a half thousand pounds to have the place painted. Okay, now I would have done that myself, three years ago. I find that I do one, half a wall, and I’m exhausted. it’s you know, it’s just the way, the way the thing is you know. I guess, with the chemotherapy etcetera, it, you don’t seem to get your, the energy levels seem to drop.

And then silly little things, you have to pay for somebody else to come in and do the electrics, somebody to come in and do decorating. And you can’t, you can’t do stuff that you’ve always been able to do. You know.