Taking less time to go to sleep. Sometimes it takes ages and ages before I can get off to sleep.

Is that the part of your sleep that bothers you the most?

I’m just trying to think. It all bothers me, because I would love to, I feel it would be so good if I could go to bed, sleep and wake up at the normal time, that would be absolutely wonderful, but I haven’t done that for years. I used to be all right. I suppose with old age. I don’t know. But I think going to SMILES has helped.

Oh it has. Do you mind telling me for the Camera what SMILE is?

SMILE means so much improvement for little effort, and it’s specifically designed for older people. And they are very gentle exercises and the main advantage or the main thing about them is that you breathe properly and breathing is the root of all ailments. Well not all but a lot of illness and things like that and if you breathe properly I suppose it’s getting more oxygen around your system, and that I think is one of the main things and also for posture and things like that.

It varies it is so different. I am obviously beginning to realise a lot of it is down to me, my fault, if I have something to drink. Coffee and so on shortly before I go to bed which is naughty but I do it. Then I suppose that is probably going to make me go to sleep, taking longer to get to sleep. There are very occasional days, nights, I should say, when I wake up and I can’t get to sleep again. So I have done what I have heard other people do when they get older, because I know that you don’t sleep as well when you get older. I heard that other people simply give in, go downstairs and get a cup of tea and maybe a piece of toast and then go back to bed. I don’t feel that terrible about it because I am retired. So if it was work the next morning I would be shattered, but I don’t think I did it then. It didn’t happen then.

And you say you wake up to go the loo though a couple of times in the night now?

Hm.

How long has that been going on?

Well it is probably more now than
You have noticed an increase?

Yes. I mean I think as you get older, either your bladder gets weaker or if you look, like I am taking at the moment more fluids because of this problem with gout, they reckon then you drink six pints of water a day.

That’s a lot.

Yes, it is.

It is more than the normal amount isn’t it?

Oh yes, by far, by far. But I mean it is something that they advise you to do, so I try to do that but of course it reflects against your sleep pattern a bit.

Yes, so you find you get up, how many times did you say?

About twice perhaps three times.

And you think it is your bladder waking up and you say oh it’s time to go the loo now?

Partly, yes, partly. Another thing it is just the age that I am, I think.

So when you get up in the night, is that the main reason you get up for is to go and get something to eat and drink and that settles you down?

Well mainly I get up to go to the toilet actually.

That is normal.

That has got worse. Yes. I am getting up three times a night.

Right.

To go to the toilet. So I go to bed ten or eleven. I go before I go to bed, get up about one, half past one, three oclock, six oclock. It is worse than the actual hypo thing. You know.

So that happens as well every night?

Practically yes.

And how long has that been going on?

Well that has been going on about a couple of years. Yes. It has gradually got worse. I mentioned it to the doctor and they said, it is age, you can’t do nothing about it. It just comes and goes.

How do you feel about the whole sleeping during the day thing?

I’m not very keen on it. A couple of, I suppose it must reflect the fact that on particular occasions I have been particularly tired. I can remember a couple of times when I’ve been watching something I was interested in, that I’ve woken up and thought oh hell I’ve missed that now. And I find that really aggravating. But, no, I rather hope I don’t get round to that.

Why is that?

Well I just think you’re doing other things really.

Okay so it’s not something you would want to do?

I wouldn’t want to do it now.

Have you got any family or friends who do that

Well my Mum’s getting, well she’s coming up for 91 now and she’s got arthritic problems, but no she wouldn’t tend to lay down, unless she was, she does have obviously with the pain, she does have quite broken nights. No she’s not a day time sleeper. I mean and the reason I’m hesitating a little bit is I imagine there are occasions when perhaps she does, but it’s not a habit or anything of hers and certainly my Dad wouldn’t have done.

He wouldn’t have done?

No he wouldn’t have done. He was probably quite similar to me. Probably slightly more physical, activity I would imagine. But he doesn’t strike me as thesort of person that would have said oh I’m going to go and have a nap now. So think probably the answer to that is no, it’s not a family, it’s not something that’s in our family.

Do you think there’ll ever come a time when you might

Well I hope not. I hope not. Because I think it would reflect on the fact that I was really getting past it. But I suppose it could, yes it could come to it. I just feel that once you’re up and about and in day time mode, to then go and lay down for an hour or so, and then you’re like starting again aren’t you, and going through the whole of that morning routine thing, where you wake up, and you have a wash and a shower and whatever you’re going to do and now you’re awake and you feel a bit better because you’ve had your shower and everything, I think perhaps if you went back and had a lay down again, then you’re almost turning the clock back five or six hours. I’m probably conscious of the fact I’m probably not explaining that very well, but I think you are picking that

Okay you talked a bit about falling asleep in front of the telly in the evening, and you said that is absolutely fine, you don’t think there is an issue with that?

Oh no, no, I just take it as a natural thing as you get older.

Would you feel the same if you actually had to fall asleep during the day. Would you feel the same way about

Probably notprobably not.

Why is that, do you know?

Well because I like to do things during the day time.

So what would you feel if you had to keep falling asleep during the day?

Well I think I would go to the doctors. I don’t think it would be in my sort of character or make up.

Well I suppose soon after I retired. Perhaps I took early retirement, as I say I was about 53. And then, yes, that’s it the back problem. Probably a change then, I mean from the routine of going to work in the end from sort of 8 oclock to five oclock, it seemed to just generally make my sleep pattern change a bit.

Oh so you think there was probably a change frombecause you had that routine?

Yes, that is right. I think that is something to do with it.

That is interesting. Yes. So your day changed because you didn’t have this I have to get up to go to work kind of thing?

Hm.

So then your sleep pattern changed at that time?

Seemed to change yes.

Well that is interesting.

Either associated with that and plus the age and then plus this health problem with

Do you find then the next day. How do you feel when you get up to the day shift?

I’m shattered and by the time the shift finishes at half past two ready to come home and normally I would sit on the couch and just sleep. Sometimes I’ll even climb into bed and just have a couple of hours sleep.

So how long do you think that messes you up for?

You know, about three days. It sounds a lot. Because of my age. I definitely think it’s because of my age.

Do you think when you were younger you would have recovered sooner?

Yes, recover much sooner.

Is that something you talk about amongst yourselves?

We do talk about it. But I have just decided it’s because of my age, it takes me that much longer to recover from it.

How do you feel about the whole daytime sleep? If you, you know, if you did more of it how would you feel about that?

That it was something of my age I should think. I should think in future in might become more of the norm from what I have seen of older people.

So you are expecting there to be some change perhaps in sleep?

Yes. I don’t expect it to be a step change. I expect it to be a gradual sort of gradual
So if your sleep changed to the point where you were sleeping more during the day would that worry you at all?

No. I would just think that was pretty normal.

Well the doctor, it didn’t seem to bother him. That I was having say six hours. He said your body will tell you whatever it needs. If you are in reasonable health, unless there is something very, very dark happening in your life, which you have chosen not to tell me about. I said no. No. He said you haven’t got any serious problem have you. No I said my life is coming along all right. He said well there is no serious illness with you. Your brain function is okay. Your aptitude tests, when you have done them, you say have been good. Physically in reasonable health. You are not too over weight. You know, you are the sort of patient that I expect to see at the age late sixties, and the expectation is that you will live into your eighties. So don’t worry about the sleep. Only come and see me if it really starts to impede on your physical well being. If it really drags you down. And you become psychotic about it, you will then need to come and see me. But he said yes, ideally you should get a bit more sleep, but just let it happen. You know, you really don’t need me to give you stuff to shove in your system. I don’t want to do that.

And he said I don’t want to chemically send you to sleep. I don’t think that’s a good idea, that is the last resort. He said you can become over dependent and that isn’t a good a thing, he said. You will find you need less sleep as you get older.

The doctor said that?

Yes. He said in your sixties, and when you get into seventies you find you will be able to cope, providing you sit back and accept it. He said but don’t get too concerned. If you have night after night without proper sleep that is one thing. If you have the occasional bad [night] don’t be concerned. The body will look after your sleep needs.