Well, all you can say is you’re doing your best for, to help other people and mankind, and we won’t get anywhere if nobody volunteers for anything. You know you’re in good hands, whoever’s looking after you will make sure that nothing well, hopefully [laughs] nothing too awful happens to you. And it may give you some benefits. At least you know in your mind you’ve done something to help people. And if there aren’t that many of you with the illness et cetera it’s very important you volunteer. Yeah.

I had to give it up, so I had another DEXA scan which showed I obviously still had got osteoporosis. it’s not something that’s going to go away. And I was told by the lady doing the trial that if they found I had osteoporosis in the first place, they’d contact my GP so that I could be put on something to help me. But I went to my GP after an accident, and had heard nothing – this was a few years later. I hadn’t had any medication in those years, and I think perhaps I could have been on something to help me and I wouldn’t have broken two of my vertebrae.

Okay, what, did you ever think about going to your GP and saying, Do you know, and should I be taking something

No, I didn’t realise. What’s really so stupid, I didn’t think that my GP would let me, just let me go without anything. I thought they’d call me, because he does with everything else. And so when I did ask, he said, No we haven’t heard a thing about this, nothing

So you’d just assumed there was nothing they could do for you?

Yes [laughs] I must be living in the last century.

And what about health professionals running trials? What would you say to them from your experiences, ways they could make it better or easier or ?

It would help if we do get a run-down afterwards to tell us, just so that we know that we’ve been of some use and importance, and it’s helped you, in layman’s terms, because we don’t all understand what x’s and y’s and equals means. Should do from algebra lessons, but it doesn’t mean a lot. And if you do find that our GP should know, please inform the GP, make sure they know, because it could take a few years to pick this up, like it did with me. And I feel I’ve missed out on years of treatment, whereas I could have been on something to strengthen my bones for all those years, six years. Yes. But you’re doing a good job though [laughs].

So better communication with your normal–

Definitely better communication.

–GP

Yes. I don’t think my GP lost the letters. I really don’t. I just do not think they went there in the first place [laughs].

And when did they tell you what the actual treatment involved, having to take these injections?

At the – now, I’m just trying to think – after the scan, after the results of the first DEXA scan when I went back to her. And it’s a few years ago now so I’m just desperately trying to remember the sequence of events, and so much has happened in those years.

This was ’02.

Was there ever a point when she said that to you that you thought Ooh, maybe not, actuall?

[Laughs] No, I get myself so far into things, I don’t like to back out [laughs]. I didn’t want to disappoint her, because she was saying Oh, it’s wonderful you’ve come forward, so few people hav [laughs], so you feel a bit obligated, don’t you? I do.

So you, you really felt kind of that you had a duty to them to —

Yes.

–to carry on? I mean it’s interesting that so few people took part. Do you think maybe that was because what they were asking was actually quite a big ask?

Oh, I’m sure it was, yes.

And if I was a bit braver perhaps I’d have said no as well [laughs]. It was just such a nuisance. I even had to go on holiday, abroad – in fact it was my honeymoon -and I had to take the injections with me and have a letter to show at customs, in case they thought I was a drug addict.

[Laughs] So, just tell me a bit more about the actual process of doing it. What was it like having to take these injections?

I really had to steel myself. Every day I had to steel myself to do it. I’ve got a bit of a big tummy anyway, but I could still feel everything, taking a lump of stomach and [gestures] – like that. Oh, swab it, of course. And oh, I don’t know, it’s making my mouth go dry. I don’t know if it’s fear or what, but I was doing that, as I say, for months before I realised that I really, really could not cope any longer.

I didn’t realise what it was involved in all this, because I had to inject myself, into my stomach, which I found quite a pain, because I had never injected myself before, as a lot of other people haven’t, obviously. There was – yes, so I was having to do that morning and evening to start with, twice a day, then it went on for quite a few months. I was prepared to do it so long as – then something happened in my life, a very close relative was in hospital. The smell of this – I didn’t know if it was a placebo, nobody told me if it was the real thing or a placebo, but I was pretty sure it was the real thing because it just smelt different – I just found I couldn’t do it any longer.

And when you went to them and said, I’m sorry I can’t continue any mor, what was their reaction to that?

Oh, they were very good about it. they’re probably used to people giving up on these things.

There must be lots of reasons why, but I thought this was a – I know I was not that keen on it in the end, anyway, to say the least. But that was really the deciding factor was having a member of the family very ill and having to smell the hosp- – I know even working in the hospital you get used to it, but it’s just on a different level smelling this. it’s terrible. it’s just making my mouth dry and my stomach wobble.

There are a few, a few other things that I’d quite like to ask about. I mean one is from your experience of that, how you would feel now about going into another trial, whether you’d volunteer again?

Not for an invasive one I wouldn’t. Definitely not injections. Anything else I don’t mind [laughs]. Tablets, yes. I did actually start another one with -because I’ve got very high cholesterol – it was a trial for lipids, because I’ve got familial mixed hyperlipidaemia, and they can’t get my lipids and my cholesterol balancing. But unfortunately, I was on it for a couple of weeks and then I was called back to say that the drug company didn’t want me after all because of the, I wasn’t actually on statins, I was taking some – what was it? cipra?* Anyway the tablets I am taking aren’t statins, and they wanted somebody on statins.

How did you feel about that? Were you disappointed about that?

Yes, I was, because he said, the doctor had said Oh, people who use this definitely lose some weight, and it’s under guaranteed that your cholesterol will go down even furthe – even further, it’s still quite high, but further [laughs]. And yes, I was very disappointed about that one, because I thought, Miracle drug, it’s going to help [laughs].

I mean that is something that presumably they could have found out before you’d got that far down the —

Yes, because he was really excited looking at the check list saying Yes, yes, yes, you qualify for all of thi, and then go back in embarrassment, was not needed after all [laughs].

* Ciprofibrate (brand name Modalim)