OK. And when you first saw the neurologist, did they mention motor neurone disease?

No, they, he didn’t. But, mind you, with a check-up every single week, I think it came to the point where he knew what it was. But, mind you, when he did diagnose and tell me – because to tell you the truth I did not know anything about what motor neurone disease was – he said to me, ‘Right, this is a very serious condition. It is life-threatening. And I just walked out and said, ‘Okay’ [laughs]. Because apparently I didn’t know what it was. I thought, okay, it was something that could get cured as time comes. So when I came home, my son actually asked me, ‘Dad, how did the appointment go?’ I said, ‘It went fine. And he said, ‘What did the doctor say?’ I said, ‘He said something, that I’ve got something beginning with M, MS?’ He said, ‘It’s not MS?’ I said, ‘No, I’m sure he didn’t say that word. He was – then I phoned the doctor up and I said, ‘Excuse me, can you tell me what it was again, because my family wants to find out. He goes to me, ‘ Mr [own surname], I did tell you what it was. You can write it down. It’s motor neurone disease. And that’s when my son looked it up on the Internet. That’s when it really hit us. And then he actually called all the family in. He goes, ‘You can bring all your brothers, sisters, nieces, and I will explain it to them. So the next day we actually went to the doctor. He called us in a private room and he told us. And everybody came out in tears.

And just, just going back to that bit. I mean it, it must have been awful for your son’

Yeah.

‘looking on the computer and seeing.

Yeah.

I mean, how, how did he feel about that?

Well, he took it really serious, and he told me to have a look. That’s when it really hurt me. I think to tell you the truth when I found out what it was and what it was going to, I think six months I was like in a corner crying every single day. And then, I don’t know, after six months I thought, ‘Enough is enough. I’ve got to try and stay positive and live as long as I can. But then I’ve got a lot of support from my family, my GP, Social Care, occupational therapy, everyone. They’re all a great help.

What about your, your wife’s reaction at that point?

She’s always in tears, even when she looks at me now, in pain, she’s always sort of got tears in her eyes. She’s always trying to say to me, ‘Stay positive. It’s not what you think it is. It’ll be curable. I don’t know. I think when you’ve got to go through it, it’s really hard. I mean when you hear it from someone that they’ve got motor neurone disease, you think, ‘Okay, yeah. But when it comes to you, I think that’s when you feel it.

When I got in touch with the Motor Neurone Disease Association, they were so quick. I mean, I could ask them anything about my condition, they would tell me. Like when the flickering started in my arms and legs, they said to me, ‘Yeah, that’s quite normal. But they’re very, very helpful. I mean, at least it’s in your mind, ‘Yeah, this is what’s to come, this is how it’s going to be. And with the information-wise they sent me a big booklet with the, all the information on it, and I read all that. It’s very, very helpful.

So you read all the way through?

Yeah.

Because sometimes people don’t want to read.

No, no. I did.

Yeah.

Yes. I think it’s really nice to know what you’re going through. At the end of the day it might not happen to you, but then it’s always nice to know. I mean, you, I’ve read it, it’s gone out of my mind, I’ve put it to one side. And I think the only thing you can do is stay positive, and not…

Okay, so you sort of, like you, you wanted to know

Yeah.

‘at that point, but then you just’

Yeah.

‘put it aside?

Yeah, mm.

Was there anything about the information that you got from the hospital, or didn’t get, that you think could have been done differently?

I think if, they should, like when the consultant actually knows what it is when he diagnoses you, I think the information should be available there and then. I think the Motor Neurone Disease and the doctors, they need to communicate, or they should have information [brief microphone interference] available at the hospital.

Because I was a manager for twenty years there are a lot of people. And I think a great help is my general manager at work. She’s helped me a lot, and she still comes to visit me like every month. And now they actually want to set up a charity for Motor Neurone Disease Association within the stores. So that’s going to be a huge success.

So tell me a bit about work and how it affected work, and.

Mainly – because I used to do a lot of speeches at work – well, they all noticed that my speech was slowing down as well. I think that’s when I went to the doctor as well, just for a check-up. But apparently when I was diagnosed this got worse really, really quick and the walking, climbing the stage all got affected. And about six months later I had to just retire off work.

Did they try and find alternative work for you in the meantime?

They were a great help, like sort of telling me to sit in the office, do the paperwork. But I got to the situation where I could not even sit for a long period. And then my speech really gave me up. But they were a great help.

And I think you said they made it possible for you to retire?

Yeah, on early ill retirement. So because it’s a big company I’m, was well looked after. So I think that’s a good sign.

So financially, how, how have things changed for you financially?

Financially, I think I’m the same to what I was working. Because of the company and twenty years’ service, the pension came out better than what I expected. So it’s not like you’re going to lose your house, and you’ve got one big headache. So the work people that way have looked into that, all the bills, my mortgage payments, and then retired me off in that way. And I think they’ve been a great help.

At the moment because I’ve got from my GP and my consultant, it’s, ‘Just do things that, what you want to do. Go and see places that you want to see. At the moment I think that’s what I’m doing and it’s working. It’s sort of one thing off your head. I’ve tried, I’ve been to India, I’ve tried like staying in the sun, which obviously helps a great deal, and I think it just relaxes your mind. I mean, I know there’s people out there who think they can’t afford it or – but I would say, ‘Give it a go. It relaxes your mind.

Mm. So how often do you go on holiday at the moment?

At the moment I go like probably, maybe every couple of months, maybe at least three or four times a year, maybe even if for the week, just to get away. Enjoy it while you can. You don’t know what tomorrows going to bring.